Fucks killing himself ,no, why would he have done that, he was looking for a sollution to avoid being infected by the way of eating for exemple, the unknown thing passing in front of him so fast and disappeared into the dark night, have surely killed him, but why the thing did not assimilate him rather, the camera has only shown the glasses of fucks, nothing else.
i wonder why the guys were talking as if fucks was burnt down.
he was just a victim of the thing.
white_night- 10-19-2007
Fucks killing himself ,no, why would he have done that, he was looking for a sollution to avoid being infected by the way of eating for exemple, the unknown thing passing in front of him so fast and disappeared into the dark night, have surely killed him, but why the thing did not assimilate him rather, the camera has only shown the glasses of fucks, nothing else.
i wonder why the guys were talking as if fucks was burnt down.
he was just a victim of the thing.
Cobra D- 11-16-2007
I wouldn't throw out the assimilation option. "The lights were out for over an hour."
I agree that a Thing (Norris or Palmer perhaps) lead Fuchs outside with the intention of him finding the clothes and discrediting MacReady, but who says all the Things are on the same page. While Norris and/or Palmer are working on destroying the group by taking out the head (MacReady), Blair is working on building his craft to escape. Maybe he ran into Fuchs while out gathering parts, or Fuchs went to him to seek advise from his mentor. He may have needed a man in the background to help him out, so he assimilates Fuchs and fakes his death with perhaps the body of a Norwegian. He doesn't realize he is throwing a wrench in the other Things' plan, so they move the shredded clothes to MacReady's Shack and leave the lights on. This would answer the question of who Childs saw outside when Blair was downstairs taking out the generator.
Good idea but i doubt you could build a spaceship that can travel faster than light and not be on the same page. Unless the Thing was a stoaway which is a different argument altogether. But ask what was Blair building in the shack looked like a one man craft.
The Thing is highly intelligent and what seperates humans from beasts is the fact we can communicate.
Cobra D- 11-16-2007
Fucks killing himself ,no, why would he have done that, he was looking for a sollution to avoid being infected by the way of eating for exemple, the unknown thing passing in front of him so fast and disappeared into the dark night, have surely killed him, but why the thing did not assimilate him rather, the camera has only shown the glasses of fucks, nothing else.
i wonder why the guys were talking as if fucks was burnt down.
he was just a victim of the thing.
I ask the question again:
Why lead Fuchs outside to Macs shredded clothes then burn him and then hide Macs clothes again?
white_night- 11-17-2007
I ask the question again:
Why lead Fuchs outside to Macs shredded clothes then burn him and then hide Macs clothes again?
very subtle, the events were not real that's why there would be questions without answers ! 8)
R. J. MacReady- 12-03-2007
Damn, there is no way mymanFuchs would torch himself. Fuchs was murdered I tell you!
death_rocker110- 12-05-2007
Fuchs had to have killed himself. The thing needed him alive to report Mac's torn shreds, but he must've felt fear that he knew when coming back he would suffer the pressure from not only everyone in the crew not beleiving a word he says because he was gone for so long, but also he would hate to get on Mac' bad side even if it was a mistake (which it was and he therefore would have been fucked either way.) So he just gives up since he knows he's going to die anyway and lights himself on fire.
Anyone else think the same way?
Macshat- 12-15-2007
The question is this:
Why would Fuchs be outside?
Fuchs is smart. He has reason to believe Mac, the group's de facto leader, is infected. Now he is desperate.
He can trust no one. No one.
I do not believe The Thing would kill him without assimilating him. There is no reason for it. Logically, the Thing would not expose itself if it did not have to. Why take the risk?
Fuchs manufactures evidence of his own demise. Now The Thing and the men believe he is dead.
Where did Fuchs go? I believe he went to Mac's hut, either to gather further evidence or gear (more likely gear as I don't think anyone would take the risk trying to exonerate Mac or anyone else for that matter). Fuchs is the one who turned the lights on in Mac's hut.
In the end, I believe Fuchs survived and is either in hiding at the camp in the last scene, unbeknownst to Mac and Childs, or he has set out on foot, with survival gear from Mac's hut, grimly hoping he can last long enough for a rescue team to arrive. He is desperate and resourceful, after all.
The other theory that holds the most water with me is that he went out to consult with Blair, in hopes that Blair had not been infected and encounters Blair-Thing. He uses his only weapon, kerosene and flares. But such weapons aren't that great in close quarters combat and Fuchs nukes himself accidentally and Blair-Thing survives, retreating to its spider hole.
The first theory is more fun in my mind, while the second is more in keeping with Carpenter's penchant for unanswered and unanswerable questions (much like real life).
death_rocker110- 12-15-2007
The question is this:
Why would Fuchs be outside?
Fuchs is smart. He has reason to believe Mac, the group's de facto leader, is infected. Now he is desperate.
He can trust no one. No one.
I do not believe The Thing would kill him without assimilating him. There is no reason for it. Logically, the Thing would not expose itself if it did not have to. Why take the risk?
Fuchs manufactures evidence of his own demise. Now The Thing and the men believe he is dead.
Where did Fuchs go? I believe he went to Mac's hut, either to gather further evidence or gear (more likely gear as I don't think anyone would take the risk trying to exonerate Mac or anyone else for that matter). Fuchs is the one who turned the lights on in Mac's hut.
In the end, I believe Fuchs survived and is either in hiding at the camp in the last scene, unbeknownst to Mac and Childs, or he has set out on foot, with survival gear from Mac's hut, grimly hoping he can last long enough for a rescue team to arrive. He is desperate and resourceful, after all.
The other theory that holds the most water with me is that he went out to consult with Blair, in hopes that Blair had not been infected and encounters Blair-Thing. He uses his only weapon, kerosene and flares. But such weapons aren't that great in close quarters combat and Fuchs nukes himself accidentally and Blair-Thing survives, retreating to its spider hole.
The first theory is more fun in my mind, while the second is more in keeping with Carpenter's penchant for unanswered and unanswerable questions (much like real life).
That's actually a really good theory. Never thought of it that way.
autopilot- 12-16-2007
Fuchs was outside following a suspicios character outside. (Which suspiciously enters from where Mac leaves)
Though its possible, What leads anyone to believe Fuchs set up his own Fake suicide? The time it would have took to set up the "fake" scene of Fuchs burning would have taken way to long, and he would most likely been discovered while they searched for him.
I dont put it past Fuches to commit suicide and his mental facilities after finding Macs torn shirt were most likely very bad but there are many other Less painless ways to do away with yourself under the circumstances. That is the info that makes me think he was killed.
Fuchs seemed to me to be almost incapacitated with fear most of the time and latched onto Doc, Blair and then Mac.
Remember the torn shirt that Nauls found in his furnace? My belief is that since Fuchs had it last he most likely placed the shirt in his Shack. We know either Palmer or Blair or both are working on the underground spacecraft, thus needing parts they wouldve had to run around getting them.
Fuches on his way back from the shack may have caught the Thing on its search and startles it. Palmer had a flamethrower and theres enough fuel all over the camp to burn it 3 times over, Blair had access to an accellerant.
His glasses are of course the biggest tip off, even though I also though of possible framing. I just thopught Carpenter wanted to leave us with the "whodunnit" type scenario and the body was simply Fuchs's body.
Macshat- 12-19-2007
Fuchs was outside following a suspicios character outside. (Which suspiciously enters from where Mac leaves)
And that's the last we see of Fuchs in the movie. Ostensibly, he confronted The Thing at that point. But he only had a flair (unless he had that beaker of kerosene or whatever, hidden within the folds of his parka). A flair is not really an effective lethal weapon, especially against Things.
So he is confronted with The Thing at that point and the thing nukes him. Why not assimilate him? That is the question. There's plenty of cover and opportunity and Fuchs has authority with the men in the sense that he is a scientist and would be an ideal host for The Thing.
Now he was researching ways to kill The Thing, and he had that beaker of fuel as a weapon when he was in the lab with Mac. These are not the actions of someone who is resigned to fate. These are the actions of someone who hopes to survive.
I do not see Fuchs as suicidal EXCEPT in the case where he would sacrifice himself if it meant taking The Thing with him, which may very well have been the case if he were confronted with a BlairThing or PalmerThing (he perhaps would have hoped that there was only the ONE infected host, either Palmer or Blair, and his sacrifice would rid the team of The Thing utterly).
Also, I believe there was time to manufacture a phony death and also the glasses frames could easily have been a spare pair. I'm quite sure someone going to Anarctica would pack spare glasses.
No, I believe there is more to the burned remains that Mac, Windows and Nauls discover than would seem at first blush.
But logically, setting up his own apparent suicide would allow Fuchs to work in the shadows and strike from the dark. Unfortunately, the camp got blowed up before he could strike...
autopilot- 12-19-2007
Yes I agree that point Appears to be the most likely moment to either assimilate or burn Fuchs.and has plenty of time to do it However my belief is it didnt. Just follow me a bit, The form/man/thing he follows leads him to the evidence of the torn shirt, Evidence i gather would be used to incriminate Mac. It was placed in the snow not buried. I think Mac is not infected. If the thing assimilated him or burned him, placing the evidence becomes moot. Ergo it was suicide or accidental.
I also think that the torn shirt must be taken into account because Fuchs had it last then it ends up in Macs Furnace. Since killing or assimilating Fuchs when he finds the shirt would defeat the purpose of planting said evidence, his death must have occuerrd after the shirt was placed in Macs shack. If Fuches was burned with the shirt ..... no shirt!
I keep asking myself why Fuchs would re-hide said shirt. He didnt destroy it or hold onto it to confront Mac amidst the rest of the cast. So my best guess is he meant to tell the others and confront him later, only then retrieving the shirt. Maybe Fuchs had come up with a -*test*-('") which would make the shirt evidence meaningless (he did have a few ideas)
This is the question, Why make two separeate setups ( Macs torn shirt & Fuchs suicde setup), and by action, ruin the first?
To me, Things seem extremely deliberate in who they decide to assimilate. As such maybe Fuchs wasnt on the menu for its own reasons.
AS for the Flare I agree its not much of a weapon to either defend or commit suicde but, with even a small amount of the readilly availible fuel all over becomes lethal.
Perhaps I'm wrong but, Fuchs was looking for a Thing -*test*-('") not a method to kill it .
At best I saw Fuchs as a 3rd string sidekick (though i liked the character). I very much agree that his actions suggested he wanted to live so an accidental bump in with a Thing seems more likely. I however disagree about Fuchss' ability to sacrifice himself. Her would high tail it out of there fast if given the choice. Also setting up his own suicide would do what you say but Fuchs doesnt work in the shadows and is not batman or even robin. (;
Macshat- 12-19-2007
I keep asking myself why Fuchs would re-hide said shirt.
I agree. This is the heart of the matter. If we could determine why Fuchs re-hid the scrap of shirt in Mac's furnace, we might be able to determine the fate of Fuchs.
I too reject the notion that Mac was infected. He did pass the -*test*-('"), though that is a dubious victory as he took the -*test*-('") while he was in full charge and had the men under threat of death by flamethrower/dynamite.
But I will assume that he was human, at least to the point of the blood -*test*-('").
As such, it seems that Fuchs was leading the men to Mac's shack. He left the lights on to draw the men up to the shack where they would discover the scrap of clothing with Mac's name on it (this flies in the face of my earlier thesis, but I have since viewed the movie again and would modify my position).
Why move it from the place where The Thing left it to the furnace in Mac's shack?
If it were me I would seek draw out The Thing such that it could be destroyed. If Fuchs is indeed a coward then it stands to reason that he may lead the group by the nose until they discover the evidence and destroy Mac on their own.
One consequence of moving the cloth to the shack is that he would then have some control over the physical location of the men. As though he were luring them into a trap.
But why didn't he destroy Mac when he and Nauls went up there? Was it because Nauls was with Mac and was possibly human and Fuchs didn't want to commit murder? Possibly.
Was it because he was unable to rig an effective trap in time?
Was it because Fuchs merely went up to the shack to get some gear or weapons, tossed the scrap in the furnace when he heard Nauls and Mac approaching and hid?
And I agree that Fuchs is no Batman or even Robin.
outpost 31- 01-23-2008
In the alternate scene, Fuchs was murdered with a shovel rammed through his chest and in the novel, he was killed with an axe. So it's a possibility that the scene was meant to have Fuchs murdered
The lights went out 10 seconds after Fuchs talked with MacReady. After the
lights went out he approaches to the doorway and a huge tall figure appears by. Because of its size, it's possible that the figure was going through an assimilation.Norris assimilating Palmer,(Read my other post to read my possibility for that). The assimilation started right after the lights went out.
When he goes outside and finds the shredded clothes with MacReady's name on it. It's possible that he somehow knew it was a setup. He probably didn't think the thing would have been careless enough to have left it there for him to find it. It was planted there as a diversion to keep him from following the thing(s) and trying to create mistrust with someone he would possibly trust his life with, MacReady. The thing(s) knew they were not only human but friends who I think trusts each other.
The Thing could have chosen any human's clothes but picked MacReady's for a reason. He was not only still human but he was the leader. The man in charge. The men still trusted him at some point, especially Fuchs. For MacReady to be falsely accussed could possibly demoralize the men to become hopeless and dispaired. It could get the humans to distance themselves from each other even further especially MacReady. That could give the thing a better chance to be alone with him long enough to assimilate him and the others.
So instead of Fuchs going back inside the compound to accuse MacReady and spread false accusations, he ran to MacReady's shack and hid his torn clothes in the furnace. The thing was still outside possibly in the dark trying to finish the assimilation. After that, it would take time for them to depart and return to their former images, Norris and Palmer.
They probably saw Fuchs not falling for the bait. Then when they saw him leaving MacReady's shack. He would be back in the compound in time before they could finish. Then Fuchs would know who's there and who isn't. Clark, Garry, Copper are tied to the couch. Blair is locked in the shed. MacReady and himself are out. That leaves Childs, Nauls and Windows who probably never left the compound. Who's missing? Norris and Palmer. That would put the Norris and Palmer things in danger.
Since it takes half to one hour to fully assimilate, Norris just had enough time to assimilate Palmer during the lights out but they wouldn't have enough time to assimilate Fuchs too and be back in time before the power cuts back on. They had to kill him. Norris had a flame thrower. I don't think Palmer did at the time yet. Fuchs is seen to be burnt to death with only his skeleton that remains. No flesh. A flamethrower is more likely to do that than a flare which probably would give him 3rd degree burns but not enough to boil his flesh off with nothing but a skeleton that would remain. The used flare could possibly have been planted there afterwards to make it look like a suicide.
I think Blaire, who was possibly already assimilated, was in the shed the whole time. I don't think it would risk itself wandering around trying to assimilate anyone yet. There was still too many humans around for it to assimilate someone. If it came in contact with a human, the chances are it would be killed without question since Blair thing wasn't allowed to leave the shed.
When MacReady, Nauls and Windows are looking for Fuchs and they stopped by the shed to ask Blaire if he came across him. Blaire replied
with confidence and honesty trying to gain MacReady's trust. It isn't Fuchs. It isn't Fuchs. Possibly because it knew Fuchs was dead. There was no one else to work on a scientific -*test*-('") to identify who's human and who's the thing. It was safer out there for the thing now that Fuchs was gone.
That's Not Dog- 01-24-2008
The lights went out 10 seconds after Fuchs talked with MacReady.
I believe there is a time lapse here after Mac leaves Fuchs as there is at other times throughout the movie.
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